WingCommander, I quickly read some of the context a moment ago and now I think Paul meant he was telling his readers to not let Jews judge them for what they eat (such as pork) or drink and to not let Jews judge them for not observing an OT biblical festival, or biblical ritual observance of a new moon (such as for a celebration/holiday), or a biblical sabbath observance, for note verses 11 and 17 of chapter 2. I don't think the WT prohibits JWs from observing the festivals/holidays of the Mosaic Law, though they say such observances are unnecessary for Christians. I don't recall the WT ever prohibiting JWs from obeying the OT festival laws ascribed to Jehovah God or abstaining from pork, just as they don't prohibit JW parents from having their newborn sons circumcised. A Jewish JW woman (who is very intelligent and spiritually minded) in the JW congregation I last attended told me she eats Kosher meat, and said it tastes better (or maybe she said it is healthier).
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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WingCommander I always thought that verse at Colossians 2:16 pertained to celebration of the OT biblical holidays of the Law (which purportedly was mediated by Moses from God). I always thought that Paul had Torah keeping Jewish Christians (and maybe also gentile converts to some degree of Judaism who later also converted to Christianity) in mind in regards to that verse. I still hold to both of those interpretations of the verse.
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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Hey Fisherman, I notice that you said something which I actually agree with, namely the following. "... wisdom of the world such as evolution and philosophy and critical thinking of the Bible is very persuasive ... and can convince someone that the Bible is not from God or challenge many JW teachings and once a person is in that frame of mind, he is out. Also ... putting the kingdom work on hold instead of trusting in God. Baptized JW dedicated his life to God and doesn’t own it to pursue [p]ersonal goals ..." That is what happened to me, but I think it is a good thing. Also what greatly influenced me is greater knowledge of the Bible by independently studying it using what I considered to me more logical means of interpretation (such as studying verses in their immediate context rather than jumping around to verses of other biblical books so much) and looking up the context of quotes by the WT of scientists (and others) even on areas not pertaining to biological evolution.
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The Evidence of Human Evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger
by Disillusioned JW indespite the wt's and young earth creationists' teachings against human evolution (namely macroevolution from non-humans) being a reality, the evidence of human evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger.. consider for example two science news articles and one other science article, each pertaining to the fossil that is nicknamed "little foot".
below are links to three science articles, listed in order of the articles from oldest to newest (except i don't see a date for one of the articles).
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2187639-exclusive-controversial-skeleton-may-be-a-new-species-of-early-human/.
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I think that Homo floresiensis descended from Homo habilis, or at least from a species represented by at least one of the fossils which some claim is of Homo habilis. Homo floresiensis was definitely not our species of human and yet it was also definitely a species of human. The book by scientist Morwood says Homo floresiensis made stone tools, used fire, hunted Stegodon and Komodo dragons, and the front of its skull looked very human except that its forehead (of specimen LB1) is very short, and that the cranial capacity inside the skull was only 380 cc (for specimen LB1).
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Who raised Jesus from the dead?
by Blotty ini have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
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Sea Breeze made the following claim of which I wish to see scientific documentation for.
"Many cases have been documented of this happening in patients with:
1. Severe mental retardation when the patient has never spoken since birth.
2. Severe Alzheimers patients where the brain has derterioated to the point of showing little more than a functionaing cebral cortex to sustain heart beat, breathing etc."
What genuine science books or science journal articles document such? I would like to read such documentation. But even if I see and read documentation for such, I do not think it makes Sea Breeze's case that a spirit soul is doing the communication since such would seem to be ruled by the following words of Sea Breeze. "The physical brain with its neuro transmitters is simply the interface by which conscienceness can perceive and interact within a physical environment." Those words of Sea Breeze imply (to me at least) his theory means that the spirit soul would be unable to interface with the brain to cause the body speak out loud or to sing out loud when the brain is severely damaged to such a major extent.
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What really is UN doing with religions?
by Kosonen inoccult un forces seek to hijack religion for globalism.
https://thenewamerican.com/occult-un-forces-seek-to-hijack-religion-for-globalism/it does not look like religions dominate un but the other way around.
journalist alex newman gives a totally different picture about the real state of affairs.
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It is true though that religion is a snare and in many cases a racket. I wish I had never become religious. I wish I had never been raised to be religious. For me it is far more satisfying and fulfilling to be nonreligious than to be religious. I wish my community (and my nation and my world) had far fewer religious people and far more nonreligious people than it does. I am sick and tired of hearing religious people telling me their wacko illogical religious ideas. I am also tired of wacko illogical religious ideas influencing governmental policies. But nearly everywhere I go (except where there are no people) there are religious people and from to time some of them tell me some of their nutty religious ideas. Sadly for me, in the department where I work (of about 80-100 workers) only one of my coworkers (besides myself) told me he/she is an atheist, and even that atheist said he is not sure there is no God (and thus he is also an agnostic). There are however a number of young people in my department who told me they are nonreligious. In my place of work I seem to be the lone voice for atheism and scientific naturalism. I wish I wasn't the lone person voicing such at work.
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What really is UN doing with religions?
by Kosonen inoccult un forces seek to hijack religion for globalism.
https://thenewamerican.com/occult-un-forces-seek-to-hijack-religion-for-globalism/it does not look like religions dominate un but the other way around.
journalist alex newman gives a totally different picture about the real state of affairs.
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Kosonen what is your answer to the following questions. Do you believe there are occult forces within the UN? Do you think it is a bad thing for ones in the UN to try to persuade religions and religious leaders to promote fighting climate change? Do you think it is a bad thing for governments of the world to work to fight climate change? Do you think that working to do any of these things amounts to weaponizing religion? If those questions were asked to me my answer to all of them would be "no."
I see no evidence of the UN dominating religion. Instead I see the UN supporting freedom of worship around the world.
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The Evidence of Human Evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger
by Disillusioned JW indespite the wt's and young earth creationists' teachings against human evolution (namely macroevolution from non-humans) being a reality, the evidence of human evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger.. consider for example two science news articles and one other science article, each pertaining to the fossil that is nicknamed "little foot".
below are links to three science articles, listed in order of the articles from oldest to newest (except i don't see a date for one of the articles).
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2187639-exclusive-controversial-skeleton-may-be-a-new-species-of-early-human/.
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I own a hardcover edition of A New Human: The Startling Discovery and Strange of the "Hobbits" of Flores, Indonesia, by Mike Morwood and Penny van OOsteree. The book is copyright 2007. The book says that Homo floresiensis did not descend from Homo erectus, but that its skeletal characteristics of its limb bones and its curved phalanges are much like Homo habilis. Page 136 says the following.
"Another view, promulgated by Lee Berger, director of the paleoanthropology unit at the University of Wiwatersrand in Johannesburg, holds that Australopithecus africanus, which has relatively longer arms and shorter legs compared to Lucy, represents the more primitive, arboreal condition, and cannot therefore be derived from Australopithecus afarensis. Instead, he concludes that the two were contemporaries, and that Australopithecus africanus is the most logical ancestor for genus Homo.
Whatever is the case, the earliest members of genus Homo appeared in Africa by 2.3 million years ago."
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Who raised Jesus from the dead?
by Blotty ini have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
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The words "to fear God and keep his commandments" at Ecclesiastes 12:13 (which is what I think Sea Breeze means by "the writer when he reccommends to fear God and give him glory as early in life as possible") were added into the book of Ecclesiastes by someone other the writer of the bulk of the book! Critical biblical scholars have been teaching that for decades, but like the writers of the WT literature, Sea Breeze does not accept that scholarly understanding of the Bible.
What Sea Breeze does not realize and does not accept is that the author of the vast majority of the book of Ecclesiastes believed in a very philosophical materialistic view of life (though while also believing that God exists). Probably his book is the biblical book of all of the biblical books which is most appreciated by atheists. Likewise 1 Maccabees is the book of the Bible-Apocrypha which is the most historically accurate, and it is the the book of the Bible-Apocrypha which is written the most like secular books of history, like real history books.
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Who raised Jesus from the dead?
by Blotty ini have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
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https://thechurchoftruth.org/the-bible-is-wrong-about-the-resurrection/ proves conclusively that the resurrection of Jesus Christ never took place!